Today on the show we welcome Steven Rinella. He’s an American outdoorsman, conversationalist, writer, and TV personality responsible for introducing the outdoor lifestyle to millions of fans. It was great talking with Steven about his latest work, the MeatEater Outdoor Cookbook, and how he likes to think about summer outdoor cooking. It’s not what you expect.

Also on the show we have a great talk with Darin Bresnitz. He’s the co-host of the long-running podcast Snacky Tunes, and a great guy to know in Los Angeles. We talk about his career working in early food television, and how he’s been at the center of food and drink for nearly two decades.

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MORE FROM STEVEN RINELLA & DARIN BRESNITZ:  

• A Texas Hog Hunt [MeatEater]

• Quarter Sheets & Wilderado [Snack Tunes]

• Matt Rodbard & False Prpht [Snacky Tunes]

• Band of Brothers [NY Post]