Tasteland is a very cool podcast that offers creative takes on media, marketing, and technology from Daisy Alioto and Francis Zierer. Daisy is the CEO of Dirt Media, a next-generation entertainment brand using emerging technology to tell the coolest stories about culture and collecting. Francis is the editor of Creator Spotlight, a weekly newsletter about creators across the world of newsletters. Matt joins Daisy and Francis to talk all about media, the power of the podcast, and some of the work we do at TASTE.

On this episode we hit many topics, including: Robert Sietsema on Substack, our fondness for Eater’s editorial, the fast death of “text on the page”, the podcast is blogging/newsletters, Rob Martinez on YouTube, MacKenzie Chung Fegan’s work at the San Francisco Chronicle, caring about “text on the page”, TASTE’s Horses story, Big Art, MONEY, How Long Gone is a great food podcast, Camilla Marcus on payroll tax, cool NYC restaurants, visiting a restaurant week three.

Also: Restaurant pop-up culture, old (good) evergreen stories, The Most by Jessica Anthony, Bad Waitress by Becca Schuh, Stissing House, Jordan Michelman’s novel.