The future of food is fungi—at least if you ask Adam DeMartino and Andrew Carter, the cofounders of Smallhold. The new-school farming company grows delicate maitake, spongy lion’s mane, blue oysters, and more of our favorite mushrooms in patented aquarium-like tanks and mega farms across the country. They’re a favorite of buzzy chefs and major grocery chains alike, so today we’re going deep on this mushroom moment and how they’re forecasting the future of fungi.

Also on the show, we catch up with Abby Endler, the host of the great new podcast, Criminal Types. In each episode Abby digs into the real-world cases, research, and obsessions that keep your favorite crime writers up at night. Check out her episode with John Grisham! We also talk about Anthony Bourdain’s underrated crime fiction career.

MORE FROM SMALLHOLD:

• The Mushrooms Will Survive Us [New York Times)]

• Mushroom Boom Leads Brooklyn Grower to Plant Its Organic Farms in the West [Forbes]

• How We Grow Happy Mushrooms [Smallhold]

• Anthony Bourdain’s Literary Legacy in 13 Books [Eater]